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And I was out in the hall sort of comforting my father...
Okay. Yes. We're bored.
“I could always live in my art but never in my life.”
but in a way, these are all attempts at creating a new kind of school...
They've, in fact, married.
I mean, would they simply then...
where the line between something like this and something like Hitler's Nuremberg rallies...
And then we'd have our food, which was generally bread, jam, cheese and tea.
My God. But why?
And I was sitting there just thinking that he was a pompous, defensive...
And he said, “Well, 40 Jewish women - that's a little hard to find.”
I was feeling incredibly nervous.
But at that time, I hadn't learned what it would be like to let yourself react...
And I really just find that attitude unbearable...
was to fall into a trance, out of habit.
See, this was - Let's see.
lawless, terrifying period.
like - like, uh, the death of that girl in the car with Ted Kennedy...
You know, she spoke very awkward English.
in order to be able to perceive one moment of reality?
are becoming institutionalized...
and fall back into some kind of belief in some kind of weird something -
I always enjoy finding out about people.
I was seeing clouds as creatures.
like, uh, “Oh, yeah. Well, that's just fascinating...
who had devoted his life to saving trees.
You know that seven or eight people told me how wonderful I looked?
I mean, it's - it's very scary.
But he said, “I do have 40 women. They all pretty much fit the definition.”
from certain selected moments.
to try to portray reality so that people can see it?
The blindfold was put on...
And I'm just very dubious about the kind of person who would have lived his life...
It had violets growing out of its eyelids and poppies growing out of its toenails.
I might say something, if I'm really annoyed...
I mean, my God, when I was a Latin teacher...
Then they put me on a table, and they sponged me down.
feeling nothing, thinking nothing.
So, I went to Poland, and it was this wonderful group of young men and women.
Yeah, I know some people are just sometimes...
Now, the actress playing Agawe absolutely refused to do it.
You can really sort of shut your mind off for years ahead, in a way.
He never used to like to leave home at all.
I mean, these things can't be given names...
'cause I had, you know - well, you know...
No, you know, the truth is...
Or if Chiquita would suddenly get a little tension in her neck...
and was an incredibly beautiful piece of theater.
well, they had their own reasons for putting it together.
weirdly and indirectly.
I mean, the way we treat other people.
And when I was there, Wally, I remember being in the woods...
but in which the excitement didn't overwhelm you.
somehow just pure being.
and he's somebody that I think I'm quite fond of.
their faces would just have that expression just like the portcullis crashing down.
And I'm sure the people who read it had a pretty strong experience. I'm sure they did.
- Does it have bones in it? - No bones.
Or chanting, because, uh, two people in my group...
But now they say, “Oh, that was pretty good.”
if things get too quiet, and I find myself just, uh, sitting there...
You know, I would see images of Chiquita.
I went to see this agent I know to tell him I was interested in directing plays again.
Well, I mean, Wally...
And I mean, you know, it's the same...
You know, to think about and write down whatever our last words were to the world...
and crossing them off the list.
and she'd said, “No. The correct word is 'tamed.”'
and that my whole life had been a sham...
You know, the kind of impulse that led to Walt Whitman, that led to Leaves of Grass.
Debby and I were given an electric blanket.
And you know, there was this very straightforward-looking guy.
You're not taking into account the period we're living in.
Why is it necessary to - Why not lean back and just enjoy these details?
But I can just imagine some beautiful S.S. man...
with any kind of, uh, prophecy, or a sign, or an omen.
But then a couple of weeks later, Chiquita and I could be out...
was somehow a totally positive one.
Well, you know, frankly...
well, I just instinctively think, you know, “Who do I know who has dark hair?
Ah, I live my life.
huddled around a bunch of candles that they'd gathered together.
We're all bored now.
- But I mean - - Well, I agree with you, Wally.
Whereas a group of meaningless facts that are collected and interpreted...
In the morning, the mailbox had just been stuffed with bills.
Now, I totally disagree with that.
obviously, all ideas in science are constantly being revised.
it would become irrelevant to go to Mount Everest, and sort of absurd...
I mean, how did I feel about anything? I didn't know.
so that we don't have to take individual responsibility for our own actions.
and a series of conversations began...
Grotowski and I got together at midnight in my hotel room...
“Hey, wouldn't it be great if Frank Sinatra and Mrs. Nixon and blah-blah-blah...
Oh, and there was one girl, who wasn't in our group...
I mean, uh, you know, if I would go to a party...
We were searching for something, but we couldn't tell if we were finding anything.
it's just incredible.
God. Well, tell me about it.
Well, I feel terrible.
I mean, you know, it always just does seem so ridiculous, somehow...
So, I decided that when the people arrived for the beehive...
because if you find yourself in a forest with a group of 40 people...
conservative stuffed shirt who was only interested in the theater.
- Not a deer. - Oh.
So he said, “Why don't you tell me anything you'd like to have if you did a workshop for me.
Who, on top of that, is a kind of butcher...
and I saw this woman who looked as bad as any survivor of Auschwitz or Dachau.
And the country out there is like Heathcliff country.
I mean, you know, I began to realize...
And they came for me, and they put a blindfold on me...
without toys - and begin to play.
Who did I think I was, the Shah of Iran?
And then the stretcher was lowered into the grave...
the more completely mysterious - and unreachable -
Well.
And already some of these new monasteries...
nothing to stand be - no imaginary life -
Yeah.
and that all of this is much more dangerous than one thinks...
I think that means that instead of living under the sun...
that there are spirits chained in everything.
And I thought, that - Well, you know, it's been a day of coincidences...
I'm sort of repelled by the whole story, if you really want to know.
and we drank instant coffee out of the top of my shaving cream...
[ Laughing 1
And then I think, to begin with, the Terrine de Poissons.
You see, one of the women in our group knew a few fragments of this song of Saint Francis...
So Grotowski said, “If it burns, try to change some little thing in yourself.”
When I came out of Findhorn, I was hallucinating nonstop.